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Role Models for the Id

Posted on Apr 25, 2010
AP / Gene J. Puskar

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger

By Mark Heisler

Given our worship of sports stars, as demonstrated recently in Milledgeville, Ga., the place to go if all your rowdy friends are coming over tonight, the standards for “role model” aren’t that high.

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Winning is the hard part, but Ben Roethlisberger had that covered with two Super Bowl rings in his six NFL seasons. That would probably have gotten him in the Hall of Fame if he never did anything else—a likelier and likelier prospect with the Steelers now shopping him.

Drawing a line for Roethlisberger where none had been drawn before—despite a prior complaint in a civil suit by a Las Vegas woman— National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended the quarterback for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy, which asks only that players who want to get laid get (a) a room and (b) undisputed consent from their partner.

The issue of whether the young woman in the scandal that broke last month consented remains in dispute, even though the Milledgeville justice system took a pass.

Nevertheless, posting two bodyguards at the door to keep the young woman’s friends out of the nightclub restroom where the alleged rape was taking place didn’t look good.

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Oh, and the bodyguards were off-duty cops. What does that do for your old moral compass?

Not that anyone but Roethlisberger’s blood relatives minded seeing Goodell hit him with a six-game suspension that would be shortened to four with good behavior.

“Good behavior” means (a) no more incidents in bars before the Steelers’ fifth game on Oct. 17 and (b) no more complainants with similar stories surfacing, like the double-figures list of Tiger Woods’ former lovers who surfaced after reports of his affair with Rachel Uchitel.

On the other hand, if the Steelers were to trade Roethlisberger to the Oakland Raiders, one of the teams reportedly interested, that would do a lot to even out the score.

Imagine Big Ben repeatedly dropping back in the midst of all those advancing 260-pound linebackers with steam coming out of his nostrils, getting driven into the turf and thinking the same thing as he gets up, counting his arms and legs:

“If not for Milledgeville, I’m still in Pittsburgh with a running game, an offensive line and six seconds to throw the ball.” 

This just in: Raiders say they won’t give up their No. 8 pick in the draft for Roethlisberger.

I guess it was too much to hope for, but I still have my fingers crossed.

There’s much confusion over this role model thing, according to the new cultural divide, but if we can argue over evolution, I guess anything’s possible.

Experience suggests, if these guys are role models, it’s only for the id, Freud’s pleasure-seeking part of the mind.

If you’re Augusta National Chairman Billy Payne, who interjected a sermon in his Masters welcoming speech, lamenting the pain and loss of direction Woods left his fans with, you’re wondering what happened to values.

Of course, if you were at then-Olympics honcho Payne’s 1996 games when he put events in the biggest possible venues, drawing the swarms that overwhelmed Atlanta’s frail infrastructure ... more or less what Lenin had in mind when he said capitalism would not only hang itself but sell you the rope ... you wonder who Payne is to be lamenting the loss of values.

In any case, nothing has happened to values, or at least to behavior.

If the conduct of sports stars represents “values,” there never were any, from the time the first single-celled jock crawled out of the swamp and propositioned the first single-celled female of any species he met.

Nowhere is the chasm between reality and perception more yawning than in golf, the suburban idyll that thinks of itself as God’s Sanctuary.

According to scuttlebutt among writers on the beat—themselves the envy of their departments in their genteel, well-mannered surroundings—there were always golfers who weren’t opposed to quickies with whatever adoring fan, or volunteer driver, was up for it.

Then there’s the old Sam Snead quote, revived in the 2008 movie “Body of Lies”:

“If you’re not thinking of pussy, you’re just not concentrating.”

It wasn’t Woods’ womanizing that offended traditionalists like former Sports Ilustrated great Dan Jenkins, but his aloofness from the press while peddling a warm, friendly All-American image.

Unfortunately, the first person who falls for the lie is always the jock himself.

Pronouncing Woods “graveyard dead” in Golf Digest, Jenkins noted the former greats “never set themselves up to become future statues in Central Park ... never sold themselves as the greatest Family Values brand ever, and conquered the marketplace with it, shamelessly scooping up hundreds of millions of dollars while saying, ‘My family will always come first.’

“They were never what Tiger allowed himself to become from the start: spoiled, pampered, hidden, guarded, orchestrated and entitled.”

As for the womanizing, let’s just say Tiger didn’t invent that, or bring it to the tour.

The old saying, the only reason men do anything is to get women, is a given in Jenkins’ books like “Semi-Tough” and “Dead Solid Perfect,” with protagonists like New York Giant halfback Billy Clyde Puckett and PGA tour pro Kenny Lee Puckett referring to women as “Southern California witch wool” and “Shapely Adorables,” among other things.

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By samosamo, April 30, 2010 at 7:34 am Link to this comment



By Shenonymous, April 30 at 3:57 am

Both you and ‘iowaheretic’ are sound reason as the both of you
aren’t laying down to those who try to use the old world and
new world superstitions to create a collective one thought,, make that belief, that goes against all this creation, for a
better word, that exists for each of us.

I have some blithering believer trying to quote me biblical
ranting for a post I sent and where upon I wrote to him saying
that if ‘(s)he was not going to read, study and search for origins
of religion, then (s)he did not have the right to talk down to me
like that’.

It is to not say that you, me or iowaheretic won’t argue but it is
refreshing to read both of your commentary thoughts and
without a bunch of or too much of some superstitious fog
clouding the argument or discussion.

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By Shenonymous, April 29, 2010 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

iowaheretic, I did not see you as an arrogant bastard,
how about just plain arrogant. Naw, not even that.  I always
balked at those who tried to tell me how to live my life too. 
I was raised to be feisty and independent.  Self-reliance is my
mantra.  And I certainly don’t tell anyone else how to live their
life, even my children, and grown as they are now, they are their own
people.  Of course, as they were developing I tried to provide as good a
model as I could in terms of morality, but I was basically a moral
person so that was not a difficulty. I believe they are moral persons
now as well. How people turn out is not always a function of their
upbringing.  Occasionally it is a feature of their personality that is
persuaded this way or that and they get involved on a path that veers
from a healthy life, both physically and mentally.  Such are the vagaries
of life. 

Yes, indeed, there are power hungry people, and here is not the place
to analyze that human flaw, but we must deal with them in our current
life.  It can come in the form of family members as well as bosses at
work or colleagues in academia!  They are everywhere, especially in
positions of government, whether it is the US government or any in the
world.  It is historic.  Power is the big seduction, the holy grail and
people sell their integrity for it.  On another forum is a communist who
is shouting and ranting for change but is screaming for revolution with
guns.  It is an insanity.  His delusion makes him think he has the only
answer and he wants power, power to force a form of government on
those who would not want it. And that kind of mind is very dangerous. 
That is equally evil as is what the government of the United States is
being accused of. 

It sounds like to me you have a healthy mind and are perceptive to the
human dynamics that is our world.  TJ might have been right, but the
law is the will of the people in a democracy and under no other form of
government is that true.  It is not perfect here, but it is still the best
there is. 

You say “if more people would think for themselves and stand up to
tyrants and absurdities, then ...would not get away with all that they
do.”  That is a truism but it is not a simplistic truism. Tyranny comes in
many forms.  Take a look within your own family or neighborhood.  The
world is vast and full of unequally-minded people.  Imagine a world of
over 6.8 billion people.  This country has over 309,167,995 people and
counting.  That is three hundred and nine million minds at work.  Well
most of them.  Rather than be dead under a tyranny, I would rather
fight, first with reason, then with my life, too.  Thank goodness we do
not live under a tyrant.  I look forward to more of your comments.

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By iowaheretic, April 29, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous: I know I’m an arrogant bastard, I can’t help it. It comes from too many people in my life trying to tell me how to live my life, according to THIER version of it. And I don’t mean you. This has been going on for many years in my personal life. I’ve put up with a lot of lying, thieving backstabbers. That’s what this article was about in the first place, people pick out someone to be a role model for thier kids(by the way, I DON’T consider myself a role model),and when that person doesn’t live up to thier goody-two-shoes infantile image of what they think a role model should be, they blow everything way out of proportion and publicly crucify them…just for being a human being and living thier own version of life. I guess I do put everyone in three “camps’, but not the way you think I do. I don’t think I’m above anybody, and I don’t want to be. I think there are the power hungry people that think they are greater than everybody else (televangelist’s, talk show host’s on TV telling everyone how to live thier life, and most,but not all, politicians).These people do nothing but lie and distort and twist the truth to fit thier own agenda! Then there what I call “sheeple”. These are the people that believe and go along with everything thier told, and they are the ones that enable the high and mighty to take advantage of everybody. Most are religious people. It just baffles my mind how people can read about ancient history and still not see how ALL gods and myths and fables are ALL made up by men of 4 to 5000 years ago. If people want to live thier life according to such infantile beliefs, I could care less, but the problem is they think they have the right to force EVERYBODY to conform to thier beliefs. The socialist type of people aren’t much better because they think EVERYTHING has to be done for “the greater good”. But the problem is, whose version of “the greater good”? It ends up to be not much different than forcing everyone to believe in one “god”.  Then there is the third “camp”, which I put myself in, and that’s “individualism”, people that have thier own opinion and can think for themselves. Obviously you are in the same camp, because you have your own opinion. I think the reason we are taken advantage of is because the masses of “sheeple” are allowing it to happen to everyone, by thier BLIND compliance to every story they are being told. As Thomas Jefferson once said: “The law is often the will of the tyrant.” If more people would think for themselves and stand up to tyrants and obsurdities, then the high and mighty wouldn’t be able to get away with all that they do. And as far as joining someone else’s group to live a life that I don’t want to live, then I would just rather be dead (really). This is just all my opinions. What do you think?

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By Shenonymous, April 28, 2010 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

Some are more thin skinned than I, the Shepotamus. 
Sorry iowaheretic.  I often have an abrasive demeanor
and am very confrontational.  I really used your own words
which maybe you did not realize that was the way they came
across.  You aren’t the only sensitive one, even with my
hippothick skin I do understand the things you are moaning
about.  But calling everyone who doesn’t take advantage of others
sheeple really bothers me.  I am part of that group that does not ever
take advantage of anyone and I don’t like being called names.  I even
gave you some music about the Sheeples that perhaps you did not
appreciate.  But I have a legitimate question of you since you put
everyone in one of two camps: those who are the power-whining
bastards or the sheeples who are taken advantage of, which camp do
you perceive yourself in?  Or do you see yourself in a third realm
above all of us? 

The second video was more rapster idiom than anything else, “Sheeple
of amerika” is hysterical,…and is more ethnic bound that is true but a
careful listen would discern the dialogue the rapper was speaking.  It is
most iconoclastic, which really matches my own blog personality.  Sorry
once more, sincerely, I will henceforth tip toe around your posts.  After
watching it again, the words really are quite articulate, of course they
may be saying things you don’t want to hear.

Yeah when you put your mind on the blogosphere it will be assessed
for content.

Here are a couple more Sheeple songs,  or rather Sheeple Shongs if one
hashshad a tequila too sshmannie, hahaha Maybe they don’t have
tequila in Iowa?  Hey, I heard Iowa is becoming the ultimate Green
State, great!  Lots of green jobs, more taxes!  LOL
This one is 33 seconds long, hysterical and takes all sides to task.  And
Umma Hated Demmocrat who supports Obama!  One has to laugh at
the absurdity of this world of humans.  Perhaps we really are all down
the rabbit hole?  Alice? where’s Alice?  She’s waiting for godot.
This one the band is a bit off key, it hurts in some spots, and kind of
noisy, but then everyone is saying our society is off key too so there
you go

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By iowaheretic, April 28, 2010 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous: I don’t get where your coming from, unless you are one of the people that thinks everyone is supposed to bend to your will. Are you? I’M NOT, and that is what I was trying to advocate in my comment. My mind is NOT enslaved by ANY infantile religious beliefs or any moronic “new age feminists” that think all men are supposed to be “sensitive” and act like little panzies and cut off all thier hair and kiss up to everybody to get anywhere in life. Maybe this is what bothers you? In fact ,the ONLY ideoligy I belive in is “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” for everyone the way they see fit themselves (and I don’t mean criminal), NOT by what the high and mighty deem fit for society! Does this bother you? If you think you haven’t been robbed, then you never knew what freedom really meant or was in the first place. And as far as being robbed of money, don’t you make enough money to pay taxes?  Don’t you want to know what your tax money is being squandered on? Everyone pays taxes, including me, because I choose to live under the laws of this country (NOT under “gods” laws), but over half of the money people pay in taxes is completely unnecessary and stolen from people under the decietful fraud of religious and socialist criminals in government that are trying to dictate and run EVERYONE’S life AS THEY SEE FIT! That second video you told me to watch was trying to point out the same things I’ve been saying (I couldn’t understand a word of the first one), so I really can’t understand why you sound like you are jumping all over me???

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By Shenonymous, April 28, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

iowaheretic - which camp do you put yourself in?
  The hypocrites who are crying and complaining about
losing their freedom and choices and individual rights,
who expect people to act holier than the Pope while at
the same time getting rich and powerful by robbing, I
guess robbing the mindless sheeples, or are you one of
the sheeples who somehow has money, but whose mind is enslaved
anyway and get robbed, or hmmmm, what other category is there?  Just
wondering, because I’m one of the sheeples who don’t have much
money and no body has robbed me lately.

Here is a song for you, iowaheretic

or if you don’t like that one, how about this one:


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By iowaheretic, April 28, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

What a bunch of hypocrites this country has become! Everyone is crying and complaining about losing thier freedoms and choices and individual rights, and at the same time condemning people for exercising thier personal rights and choices that don’t conform to your infantile belief system! You expect people to act holier than the Pope(that isn’t saying much anymore, is it?),and when they don’t, you condem them just for being a human being! “Morals” is just a term made up by rotten dictators that want to control the simple minded masses of sheeple by talking them into enslaving thier own minds, while at the same time they are getting rich and powerful by robbing you blind of your money and human rights because you are too worried if someone else is enjoying something in life a little too much without your or your “God’s” permission. And if anyone acted like “God”, they would be executed for being the most worthless rotten inhumane uncaring barbaric mass murderer in the history of time. And that’s just putting it nicely! All of you that expect other people to act and live up to YOUR unatainable standards, just remember the old saying “What comes around, goes around”.

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By samosamo, April 28, 2010 at 8:32 am Link to this comment


““By ProfBob, April 28 at 9:06 am #
When our national idols are making millions because they can
throw or catch a ball—Like in sports, or memorize a few lines
and pretend there’s somebody else—like in the movies,  why
should we be surprised that they are narcissistic or have
superiority complexes. We put them there. How many good
teachers or professors could be hired for what we pay a
quarterback or film star?”“

It doesn’t pay to leave the mainstream/dumbstream media out
of this very unhealthy psychological practice of pushing people
to ‘worship or be what the are not or can not be and what
decreases a person’s own persona or individuality in the social
pool of culture.

Besides, how often has one of those ‘national idols’ really gone
outside the ‘idol’s egotistical’ shell to do something that does not
endanger his/her bank account?

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By ProfBob, April 28, 2010 at 5:06 am Link to this comment

When our national idols are making millions because they can throw or catch a ball—Like in sports, or memorize a few lines and pretend there’s somebody else—like in the movies,  why should we be surprised that they are narcissistic or have superiority complexes. We put them there. How many good teachers or professors could be hired for what we pay a quarterback or film star?

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

When you don’t have a mind, all that is left is a body. 
When the body goes, say bye bye.  It is the loss of the
body that is resisted with all the attention to sex, booze, and
gold ingots.

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By thebeerdoctor, April 27, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

@ Shenonymous: “And who is in claim to your picture, with a garland of freshly cut tears?”
I too am a great fan of Frederico Garcia Lorca, who even in translation, for myself, is one of the greatest lyrical poets of the 20th Century…
20th Century? God that was over a decade and a lifetime ago. My only prayer is Thank You.
The Beer Doctor

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By Night-Gaunt, April 27, 2010 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Such “icons” are publicity tools for making money in our hyper-Capitalist system. The worship factor is an extension of the same types of feelings and motivations found in said worship of gods. The same type. I don’t have that capacity and am happy for it or I would be in the same place they are. I admire some people but I have no illusions. Neither should they. It is the peculiar nature of celebrity that promotes that very thing of worship. On air and shown in the best possible light make them known. Now if the Supreme Court was promoted that way possibly more people would have some idea of who they are. They become the alpha leaders and so many want to get close to them, including in a sexual way. Whether politicians or actors or musicians it is all the same from that stand point. It is both biological and neural pre-programming of behavior for it. At least as I see it.

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

Yes, indeed thebeerdoctor, I heard the same thing about
Cohen’s financial woes.  Actually I read an interview with
him on that very topic.  I hadn’t heard he collapsed, but
he is up there in age.  I hope he is with us for a long time
to come.  What a voice, even at the ripe old age of 76.  Aw,
that ain’t so old.  I see that guy on the TV commercial on that
exercise equipment who says he is over 70 and he looks really good. 
Maybe it is just good genes? 

Here is another one of Cohen’s songs I really love, this one is when he
was younger.

Perhaps someday we will dance in a rational, and moral, world?  A

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By thebeerdoctor, April 26, 2010 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

As a fan of “sincerely” L. Cohen, you have to admit the French Canadian Jewish Gypsy is one complicated mofo.
Between Saint Joan and the rain that falls down on last year’s man… well what can one say? I heard the main reason for his most recent tour was that he was cleaned out financially by some very cleverly ruthless financial advisors; thus the ancient one who wrote the Bible had to return to the performing stage. At one point, he even collapsed during performance…

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

I know, thebeerdoctor, I know Cohen.  I was just having
some fun.  It’s all in the future?

Great lyrics:
The Future
Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it’s lonely here,
there’s no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that’s an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that’s left
and stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I’ve seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant

You don’t know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I’m the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I’ve seen the nations rise and fall
I’ve heard their stories, heard them all
but love’s the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It’s over, it ain’t going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil’s riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

There’ll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There’ll be phantoms
There’ll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing
You’ll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin’ to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin’

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don’t like children anyhow
I’ve seen the future, baby:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

When they said REPENT REPENT

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By thebeerdoctor, April 26, 2010 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Sorry folks, I am not that complicated. When I said repent! repent! I wonder they meant?  I was just quoting L.Cohen.

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By Shenonymous, April 26 at 10:11 am #
““samosamo - thank you for your words about the bloody
formatting on TD.  I figured out that if I put hard returns
in at the end of the line and keep the lines at 62-66
characters wide it kind of helps.”“

Yeah, it does, I found that if I do a line of asterisk (*****) at the
top of the comment window then hit return about 4 times, it
gets me below the ‘twilight zone’, but I also found that when you
do a preview and add or delete stuff in a line it will come out in
the ‘twilight zone’ form once you hit ‘submit’.  Anyway, here is to
more readable comments despite TD’s form. Will have to try that
rtf sometime.

I found in my life that there came a time when I realized that
what in hell’s name do I care for so and so person, and I use
celebrity as the catchall for an over admiration of someone who
one likes just because of physical features or some type of
attitude. A most notable example and I think it does no one any
benefit are what are called the ‘posses’ that hang out with their
favorite celebrity more to the celebrity’s advantage of watching
his back.

Seems that in the long run or by some stroke of pure mature
reasoning most anyone will eventually ask themselves why
bother with some else’s life when I have mine, family and
friends who are infinitely more cozier to be with or be around.

But it does seem a trap for young people to idolize the actors,
actresses, athletes, musicians and such which seems to happen
because dad and probably mom have to be working to make
money to live, and the favorite baby sitter, the tv, brings all
these sparkling people in that capture the imagination of the
young so easily and then idolizing comes, and I don’t know that
I can remember the last time I heard a kid say that his dad and
mom was his favorite hero.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Kicking around an idea…just for fun
Let’s see:  repent - Encyclopedic:  Repentance is a change of
thought and action to correct a wrong and gain forgiveness
from the one wronged.  In religious contexts it usually refers
to confession to God, ceasing sin against Him, and resolving to
live according to His law.  It always includes an admission of
guilt, and also includes at least one of: a solemn promise or
resolve not to repeat the offense; an attempt to make restitution
for the wrong, or in some way to reverse the harmful effects of the
wrong where possible.

In the New Testament, the word translated as ‘repentance’ is the Greek
word (metanoia), “after/behind one’s mind”, which is a compound
word of the preposition ‘meta’ (after, with), and the verb ‘noeo’ (to
perceive, to think, the result of perceiving or observing), i.e., after
thought.  In this compound word the preposition implies temporal and
movement from one state to another features and combines the two
meanings of time and change, which may be denoted by ‘after’ and
‘different’; so that the whole compound means: ‘to think differently
after’. Metanoia is therefore a change of mind accompanied by regret
and the promise of change of conduct, “change of mind and heart”, or,
“change of consciousness”.  One of the key descriptions of repentance
in the New Testament is the parable of the prodigal son found in the
Gospel of Luke 15 beginning at verse 11.

The Talmud, Yoma 86b
“Great is repentance; it turns premeditated sins into incentives for right
conduct.” So is associated with morality and ethics.

Surah 9, verses 3 and 11 in the Qu’ran is about repentence, 3: “And an
announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people
(assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His
Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye
repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot
frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject

11: “But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise
regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain
the Signs in detail, for those who understand.” 

And in the Qu’ran 2.222
Truly, God loves those who repent, and He loves those who cleanse

Islam (Shiite)  Nahjul Balagha, Saying 44
The sin which makes you sad and repentant is liked better by the Lord
than the good deed which turns you vain and conceited.

It seems to be a regular feature of the Abrahamic religions.

In Hinduism as well: Rig Veda 7.86.2-5
I muse on my heart and I ponder this question:
When shall I again be at one with Varuna?
Will he accept without rancor my offering?
When, reassured, shall I taste of his mercy?

I question myself on my sin, O Varuna,
desirous to know it.  I seek out the wise
to ask them; the sages all give me this answer,
“The God, great Varuna, is angry with you.”

What, then, O God, is my greatest transgression
for which you would ruin your singer, your friend?
Tell me, O God who knows all and lacks nothing,
so that, quickly prostrating, I may sinless crave pardon.

Loose us from the yoke of the sins of our fathers
and also from those we ourselves have committed.
Release your servant, as a thief is set free
from his crime or as a calf is loosed from its cord.

Then Omo Kyo.  Michi-no-Shiori
“The grace of the Lord of heaven and earth is infinite and boundless;
He has endowed you with the Beautiful Gift, called the Spirit of
Repentance,with which to light up and purify yourself from sin.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Also says the Tao in the I Ching, Great Commentary 1.3.4
If one hides the evil, it adds and grows.  If one bares it and
repents, the sin dies out.  Therefore all Buddhas say that
the wise do not hide sin.

Buddhism: the Mahaparinirvana Sutra and Dhammapada 172-173
Whoever was heedless before and afterwards is not; such a one
illumines this world like the moon freed from clouds.
Whoever, by a good deed, covers the evil done, such a one
illumines this world like the moon freed from clouds.

African Traditional Religions.  Kipsigis Poem (Kenya)
Let us rid ourselves of evil doings.  Let every person ask pardon of the
Great Light (Asis), The molder of us all, Who has given us this land to
inhabit, and to multiply in.

and Zoroastrianism.  Patet 6
As was the will of God, so I ought to have thought;
As was the will of God, so I ought to have spoken;
As was the will of God, so I ought to have acted.
If I have not so thought, so spoken, so acted,
Then do I repent for the sin,
Do I repent by my thought, word, and deed.
Do I repent with all my heart and conscience.

The concept of repentence appears in almost all religions and there are
plenty more than I have cited.  Not sure about the Wiccans.

or the usual religion-free dictionary definitions:
verb intransitive
1. To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done
or failed to do; be contrite.
2. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one’s mind
regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.
3. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition
for one’s sins.
verb transitive
1. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one’s sins.
2. To cause to feel remorse or regret.

Some are more beautifully said than others.  Now based on the book
meanings, how can we apply a secular meaning to the world and
ourselves?  Should we not start with self first?

Well, I don’t feel repentant about much.  I feel compassion for others,
such as the victims of natural disasters, and victims of human made
ones, like wars and indifference to the state of the planet and am
motivated to act.  I feel responsible for those who go hungry through
no fault of their own and am motivated to act.  I feel responsible for
those who cannot afford health care and am motivated to act.  I feel
responsible for abandoned children and am motivated to act.  But I
don’t feel I need to repent for any action I have either done or not
done.  How about you?

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By thebeerdoctor, April 26, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous: When they said repent! repent! I wonder what they meant?

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

thebeerdoctor - Leonard Cohen is next to god.  Well if there
was a god.  And I have that song Everybody Knows and about
28 more.  Yes, it says it all, pretty much.
Here is a youtube of Leonard
I really like that old man, always did even when he was young.
He is not too bad a playing guitar and such.  The words are
useful to remind one what is the score, meaning touching on
the real?  He has been doing concerts around the country.  Yup,
he and Bobby Dylan, octogenarian or almost.  Sorry, I took a
digression.  Always moved to when I hear any of these guys
names mentioned.

Unfortunately you are correct.  The word has almost lost all of its
meaning, morality that is.  In terms of how it is manifest in our society
and the way the media squeezes every last second dwelling on the lack
of it over and over and over as if there were a score of dead dogs to
kick the ghost out of, but without really talking about morality per se. 
They talk around it to do their glitzy thing.  I don’t listen much to news
but scan the Internet when I have time.  I think one has to be kept
abreast of what is going on in the world.  BBC is all right, better than
anything, anything in the US.  Editorial news is a little different but that
is always after the fact and there are only a few I respect in that
quarter as well.  I detest shock news or politically partisan inmates of
insane asylums.

I hope you all take the time to visit Leonard and his song.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

mrfreeze, perhaps I did miss your point.  My apologies,
I guess my visceral buttons had been tapped.  I’ve been
in academia all the way from pre-K to graduate school, both a
student and teacher, the latter is where I reside at present.  I see
what teachers do, most of them, and what teachers-to-be are
taught (my principle area) and how hard we all work to provide the
best well-rounded education the funding will give.  The problems in
education are myriad and more complex than the public is led to
believe by those who need to blame somebody except themselves.

But…you are correct.  There are those, an indefinite number, like
infinite, whose mentality cannot get beyond the adolescent and
reactions to life events has not grown up.  Conditioned from birth by
similar minded parents what is valued.  The media and entertainment
industry has a field day.  And it has produced artificial reactions that
give the quickest feeling of pleasure and depth of appreciation is only
on the surface.  So what shall we do?  Isn’t it the responsibility of those
who know, as Leonard says, to bring our fellow members in the human
race to reflect and find deeper worth at least in the time they have to

Oh mann, I am preachy today.  Sorry, but I will let it stand as I know I
can just erase everything and go about the many things I have to do.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

samosamo - thank you for your words about the bloody
formatting on TD.  I figured out that if I put hard returns
in at the end of the line and keep the lines at 62-66
characters wide it kind of helps.  And if you make long posts
like I do sometimes (uh, most of the time), once you get past
the space of the personal image the hard returns are not
necessary.  Or so it seems and is my current theory.  I am
testing it with these morning posts. We’ll see.  I’m responding to each
of you lofty gentlemen separately (because of the 4000 character rule
you know,m which is probably a good one).  Also I was told once and it
seems to be true that if rtf docs are saved then copy/pasted that kind
of eliminates that odd line arrangement.  It is all so mysterious.  Yeah, I
noticed there are several problems.  On another forum, because
someone did not limit the length of the lines of their post, the screen
shows extraordinarily wide and runs off the page to the right.  I have a
20 inch screen and that isn’t wide enough to accommodate!  Yikes.  But
once the page changes because of the number of posts made, it reverts
to the right width.  Really weird.  I don’t think even TD knows how to
correct it.  I just figured out how it gets fixed (new page) yesterday. 
samosamo - I do agree that there are sports, such as you mentioned,
that I do like to watch and I watch many of the Olympic sports when
that is the fare. 

Celebrity idolatry is the problem but I don’t see anyway to curb it. It
seems embedded in the culture and like weeds hard to get rid of short
of weedicide. It has happened to writers of books as well.  Especially
journalists who write books who have to get on news shows and
huckster their books.  They pump out the pulp on a daily basis.  Who
says books are going out of style?  Publishers and writers are acting as
if there is no tomorrow.  THERE WILL BE A TOMORROW! in spite of the
doomsday sayers!  It is most disturbing.  But in a way some books
would never be known very well and they offer some insight into the
human condition.  So what to do?  The electronic media makes instant
idols and we even have programs that taut idolatry as a mode of life
(American Idol, Celebrity Dancing, and all those innocuous game shows
that create millionaires)  Yikes!  What can we do except to become
judicious in our own taste and try to inculcate that in those we know???

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I couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of the “Haiti Fund” ad placed in the middle of this article.  Talk about two role models for the times, war criminal Bush and his partner in crime, I- did- not- have -sex- with- that…woman Clinton.  Too funny.

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By thebeerdoctor, April 26, 2010 at 3:26 am Link to this comment

I wonder what the late Neil Postman, author of “Amusing Ourselves To Death” would think of our present situation? Recently watched a Booknotes interview with Brian Lamb, ironically, taped during the Democratic National Convention in August, 1992. Postman, a professor at NYC University, was trying to understand the emerging virtual culture of modern technological communication, which was, compared to now, in its infancy.
As songwriter Leonard Cohen once said: “Soon there’ll be a meter on your bed, which will disclose, what everybody knows.”
Which in this Twitter-Facebook age has literally become true.
Morality, or the lack thereof, however it is defined, has become a marketing prop of entertainment distraction from being conscious of the permanent changes being imposed upon this world by the ownership class. It is hardly a surprise that celebrity hero worship-sacrifice has become a common practice.
Meanwhile the truly rotten stuff, such as what Goldman Sachs and the Federal government are up to, so aptly exposed by writers like Nomi Prins and Matt Taibbi, is largely ignored, because of far more general public importance is whether promiscuous sports stars are infected with venereal disease.

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By mrfreeze, April 25, 2010 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous - Perhaps you missed my point. THE problem is that Americans NEVER leave high school. This is why Americans seek “Heros” in every facet of life. The fact is, sports is an easy place to create heros and the schools spend far too much time cultivating the “culture of the exceptional” rather than teaching young people that being law-abiding, productive citizens has little or nothing to do with the plastic version of “success” manufactured by a sports culture.

If you don’t believe me, witness the utter banality of what passes for public discourse in this country and then make a case that our collective IQ hasn’t dropped 10 points in the last decade.

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By samosamo, April 25, 2010 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment


By Shenonymous, April 26 at 12:40 am
““Actually I was not interested much in the morality that is or is
not in
sports.  Sports is not one of the uses put to my leisure time.  It
like the article was rather lightweight as a journalistic item but it
did bring
up a topic called morality.  It is chronic complaint is the
perception that
our society is sorely lacking in morals.  Religion has not done
very well in
that department and is losing ground by the megaton a day. 
Might it not
provide a few interesting moments for a dialogue to be ushered
Perhaps just an idle thought.”“
I don’t think the formating problems are at all on your end as
this copy and paste of yours demonstrates. I have been past the
agonizing of why we can’t get a simple sentence and paragraph
to display, but I do recollect that it happened during what could
be considered an ‘upgrade’ to truthdig for their purposes
unknown to me.

As for your morality of sports which you seem to side track
because you, and I think highly of you for it, don’t turn to sports
for your leisure time, at least the almighty sanctimonious
‘spector’ sports either on tv or radio or in the stadium watching.
Besides, participation sports is real, more fun and actually
healthy(think bicycling, hiking, paddle sports and a bunch more)
plus it puts one in touch with nature which is SORELY missing in
people’s lives these days.  So why don’t we call it ‘celebrity

I really call it a waste of time because I have yet to find or see
any rational reason in idolizing people that do role playing of
fiction or a replay of some part of the real past because most of
what that is is tainted in some playwrights interpretation of the
past. Going to movies to watch the latest and always the most
likely academy winners does more to touch emotions than to
bring people to any kind of rationalization of life.

The other part of the ‘celebrity idolatry’ are the people, the
‘beautiful’ people used to convince people that that is how they
should look and that it is perfectly acceptable to use what little
resources to ‘enhance’ one’s features. And what was the final
straw to me to absolutely stop watching tv were the advertizing
used to brow beat those who watch into thinking that they need
to be having as much fun as those in the commercials.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

That is not the way I see high schools Mr.Freeze.  The one’s I’ve seen
and I visit them regularly in a wide area, are well run like clockwork
systems.  Students have dress codes, may not have cell phones or
iPods in class, and the principal makes regular rounds daily to make
sure things are going smoothly.  If a student cuts up, his/her parents
are called.  Teachers have extensive lesson plans and students are
expected to learn the material.  The coaches teach classes and do not
have any special berth in the school.  And students will be kept off
the teams if they do not make at least a C, which is the average
grade.  Most reach 80-85% which is a B average.  Far as I am
concerned, education is getting a bum rap.  It is fashionable to berate
the schools these days.  Just another dog to kick.

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By mrfreeze, April 25, 2010 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

All one needs to do to understand our culture is visit the average high school. There you will often find the following:

You walk in the front door and see: 1st) the “Athletic Director’s” office. 2nd) you will find the main office. Never does one find an office of “Academic Excellence.” For Americans who are essentially a race of perpetual high school students, it’s not hard to believe that “heroes” crafted in the sports metaphor are easy to come by.

Essentially, EVERYTHING in America today is nothing more than a “profit event.” Sports figures bring in a lot of money to themselves and all the parasitic creeps that inhabit TV, Radio, newsrooms, schools, etc. and who attach themselves to the “role models.”

America: Land of “arrested development.”

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

I seem to be having formatting problems with the imposition of that new
personal image.  Please excuse the klutzy way my posts are looking.  I
have to figure out how to compensate.  Yikes.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

Actually I was not interested much in the morality that is or is not in
sports.  Sports is not one of the uses put to my leisure time.  It seemed
like the article was rather lightweight as a journalistic item but it did bring
up a topic called morality.  It is chronic complaint is the perception that
our society is sorely lacking in morals.  Religion has not done very well in
that department and is losing ground by the megaton a day.  Might it not
provide a few interesting moments for a dialogue to be ushered in? 
Perhaps just an idle thought.

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By samosamo, April 25, 2010 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

Goes to show that what this culture is based on, and that is the
illusion of hero worship which is most probably a deficit in
raising kids to know any reality besides a santa claus, tooth fairy
or a hero worship of anything that does not have any real
meaning towards helping confront those all too real issues that
occur in life.  Also means that there is far too much ‘empty’ time
to spend in front of a parent’s favorite baby sitter, the tv set.

Also, just like it is for religion so goes it for the corporate
governments of the worlds, where the best time to capture and
divert a person’s sense of reality is as a child. Here is where the
most obliging msm is a overwhelmingly complicit tool for
indoctrinating those most vulnerable minds.

So, what does anyone infected with idol worship ever get in
return?  An autograph, perhaps, well, from what I have found
out just this year, a part, large or small, of those idols are now
demanding $20 for an autograph and the worshipper is further
relieved of something while gaining just a ‘good time’ moment
with someone that worshipper really doesn’t know, and
assuredly, sooner or later that $20 moment is gone. May as well
just set the $20 on fire to watch it burn.

As tiger and now this roethlisberger have proven of recent
activities shows to me what the results are when adults are
involved. And this could be where the kids are separated from
the adults as the adult worship of a hero can only be a reverting
to the child part of wanting to act like their favorite heros even if
it is being the criminal part or unfathful part. I wonder if it is the
primeval part of the brain that controls this in adults where what
was legal in the past is now illegal, but go ahead and do it

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By thebeerdoctor, April 25, 2010 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

A serious discussion about the morality of professional sports culture? A complete oxymoron, other than the worshiped monetary considerations, what else gives these enterprises any significance?
Besides the fact that Big Ben is the highest paid Pittsburgh Steeler, and Tiger-in-his-tank is a billionaire golfer, why is this even considered to be news?

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

Pulled into the article to see if there was any real sense of morality to
be met since I am on another forum where that topic has emerged for
a serious discussion, but as it turns out, Heisler’s essay is simply an
evacuation of observations.  So what is the essential value and last bit
of advice Heisler gives after describing the peccadilloes of star
athletes?  Raise your own kids.  Well I guess that is a truism, meaning
while it is probably true, it is cliché-ishly true and possibly of little real

Throughout the article I kept expecting Mr. Heisler to assert some
remedy, even someone else’s, but that was not forthwithcoming.  Eh,
oh well.  This might be a launch pad for Truthdippers to chime in about
what might be a new primer for morals that maybe reflects the 21st
century for the old ones certainly don’t seem to be working?

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